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| moorgal | 3 Apr 2013, 09:37 AM Post #1 |
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My brother has a 6mth collie x huntaway;nice pup,busy household,3 kids etc...usual story........advice please,Mac is bright,has learnt quickly (good and bad!!)....they have encountered a problem they want to correct; pup has on occasions 'guarded' a toy...as in,he lifts his lip if my bruv,or his wife want to remove it....secondly there was apparently an 'incident' yesterday on a walk;pup had been on and off lead happily,he was then re-leashed ...due to sheep/other kids and dogs whizzing about...neice and pup were to rear of the group....the lead was doubled to another so that he had more freedom but was still attached to human (eldest neice,14,sensible,kind and who attended pup training as observer b4 they got pup so as to try and learn something ..so I trust absolutely that she wasn't mucking about with the pup)....anyway...pup gets tangled,she goes to untangle him...and in her words,'he went crazy'....snapping/snarling/jumping at her....and it scared her good and proper...she stepped back and turned to ignore him,that didn't work so she held him away at arms length with the harness....eventually she got cross,she said,and gave him a bop on the butt,which stopped his frenzy,she was able to untangle him,and he then walked to heel properly....my brother says she was freaked out by the whole thing.......my first thought, was pup in pain?...his legs were tangled....but we don't know....he was probably excited by all the stimulation (other dogs/sheep/children) and probably frustrated by being on a lead at that point.....the bit that has them worried is the 'crazy teeth bared' bit....and they are wondering how to deal/cope/correct.........again,I want to say,I absolutely trust my neice,and she told it how it was...she said she was scared initially,then cross....and she described her actions straight off....there were adults in the group..she wasn't walking him alone...though my sister in law doesn't like the pup,and is scared of what he might do.....which I am quite sure doesn't help the situation at all .....please has anyone got any advice to offer..??? Thank you in advance.
Edited by moorgal, 13 Apr 2013, 08:21 PM.
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| *Lorraine* | 3 Apr 2013, 09:59 PM Post #2 |
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This is a X breed with both types being very "worky" & high drive, they need a lot of mental stimulation & can be quite over powering if the owners aren't prepared. I'd advise a good training class (great agility dogs & pups can start groundwork at a young age which may be nice for the kids) to really build the dog/owner bond. NEVER attempt to remove an article from the dog...swapping instead will prevent resource guarding. Pup was probably scared at being tangled & was giving a (misguided) warning.... in that situation a calm adult needs to take charge, no chastisement , or panic (great opportunity to put the "stand" exercise to the test) If the sister in law doesn't like the pup, how will she cope with the grown dog ? |
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| sal | 4 Apr 2013, 09:44 AM Post #3 |
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If the dogs legs were tangle he was probably frightened and in pain. Feeling vulnerable from the other dogs. Observing and participating at classes are to very different things. Puppy classes are the very tip of the iceberg for training and IMO not enough to start a dog off. I would get the dog checked at the vet for pain, ear infections etc and a blood test. Ensure he is on a natural diet as possible- no bakers, pedigree, hills, royal canin etc grain free and additive free or raw. Get back to training classes that are reward based and use kind positive methods and allow the 14 year old to participate. Trick training, dog dancing and agility are fun ways to train If the child felt confident enough to 'bop him on the butt' he couldn't have been that scary! Positive training classes will enable her to learn other more appropriate ways to handle him As Lorraine said swap items for higher value rewards- if someone removed my cream cake and glass of wine every time they came near me I would get defensive! If that person did that but gave me another bottle of wine and 2 cream cakes and used the word give- when I heard them say that I would hand them my glass and cake . Once learned you can randomly take with out a higher value reward and praise would be enough |
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| moorgal | 4 Apr 2013, 11:44 AM Post #4 |
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Thank you for replies. I ask on here,because I respect the huge wealth of experience and knowledge., and am grateful for responses.Yes, they are doing some things wrong....I see that....I make mistakes too,with my dogs, in my general life....perhaps we all do. I have explained to them the high value 'trading' idea and suggested more training/activities for pup....they realise,with what has happened,they need to up their input...using positive reward based methods...they contacted a local trainer and have signed up,starting next week,for more training. Children will go too. I wasn't suggesting neice thought observing training was enough....I mentioned it because she was sufficiently interested,before they got pup. Adults also see they shouldn't have left child and dog at the back on their own. I am glad that they asked for advice...because already they are looking at their situation differently...and ultimately that is good for all concerned...especially Mac.Thank you again. :) Edited by moorgal, 4 Apr 2013, 05:09 PM.
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| 4x4cos | 4 Apr 2013, 08:05 PM Post #5 |
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at that age i would guess pup is trying the boundaries my first dog did that and growled at me after a few weeks of having her she got put on the floor in a un painful hold by me until she whimpered cus she couldn't get free from that day on i never saw here teeth a growl nothing i even held her jaw when she got injured could get wood splints from her mouth she new i was boss and trusted me totally with respect my best friend ever. i tryed mamby pamby good girl things with the 2 lovely bitches i have now as in female dog and the sense of the word lol only the strong dominant commands and not given the oldest a inch is working with her behavior and the bond is getting stronger in return so honestly depends on the dog try nice approach if don't work be a little hitler take food toys anything at random dog reacts nicely and sits give it back there always has to be a pack leader either way just make sure its not the dog |
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