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Martingale head collars.
Topic Started: 5 Feb 2012, 10:00 PM (4,793 Views)
biggsd
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Tanith one of the members on the biggsd forum has designed these Martingale head collars, I fully recomend them,they can be bought direct from Tanith or from the biggsd stall when next out or from myself or Colin if we are on one of the biggsd walks.
http://www.martingaleheadcollar.co.uk/
Biggsd walks http://s10.zetaboards.com/biggsd/forum/8489/
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Rooneysdad
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I have just received a stock order from Tanith of the Martingales head collars, so between myself & John , we have a ready to go stock level. :thumbs up:



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4x4cos
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price plz chaps plus i no its been here before and colin has explained it pulls the head in to the chest instead of down i think if im right plz i was listening honest
ok i looked it up £10 and yes i was listening to collin
Do you think this would help stop lexis mild agression
a she wont pull secondly when she does lunge at a dog the collar will tighten stopping her gob opening???
Edited by 4x4cos, 5 Feb 2012, 10:54 PM.
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Rooneysdad
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4x4cos
5 Feb 2012, 10:50 PM
price plz chaps plus i no its been here before and colin has explained it pulls the head in to the chest instead of down i think if im right plz i was listening honest

Nearly right Rob but it doesn't 'pull' the dogs head into the chest.
Because the Martingale function is similar to that of a half-check collar, it will allow you to transition onto that piece of equipment. When your dog pulls, the neck band will tighten and the nose band will move its head downwards, preventing it from putting its weight behind the desire to pull. When there is no pressure on the lead, the headcollar will loosen - teaching your dog to walk nicely.

We do not sell these for profit :noway:
We would rather dog owners had good control of their dogs on a lead & enjoyed the pleasure of walking their dogs rather than seeing it as a constant struggle & it resulting in a reluctantancy to walk their dogs anywhere :thumbs up:

It's a straight forward £10 each for the Martingales :thumbs up:

Additional links from Tanith

How to measure
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMsw6NFFm58

Putting one on
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CKkG7iH2fE

& slower different dog
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIwNauZnh1E


Taniths original thread

http://s10.zetaboards.com/biggsd/topic/7340858/



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Rooneysdad
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4x4cos
5 Feb 2012, 10:50 PM

Do you think this would help stop lexis mild agression
a she wont pull secondly when she does lunge at a dog the collar will tighten stopping her gob opening???

Best speak to a trainer/behaviourist Rob but in my opinion probably not straight away.

It would give you good control of Lexi as she wont be able to lunge out but the Martingale will only have affect if used with a training lead not a lunge line , then Lexi is by your side & won't have the space to lunge out as she does when she is on her lunge line..
My opinion from what i have seen is that she is protecting you from other dogs but there are more experienced members that can guide you better than myself.
She is absolutely fine with people ( as i have seen ) but if other dogs get too close to you or when they are running past, thats when she lunges out.

Edited by Rooneysdad, 5 Feb 2012, 11:12 PM.
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A lot depends on your dog... I have seen startling results with aggressive dogs who once the collar pressure is removed are much less overtly aggressive. This in turn makes them easier to train. (It's down to the physiological effects of reduced oxygen and blood flow that occurs with a tight lead - hence increasing aggression)
Other dogs it will help with the lunging, pulling etc. but will not do anything about the aggression itself.

I would say that it is definately worth a try.
As for the mouth opening - when the lead is tight it will affect how much Lexi can open her mouth but it is not a muzzle and should not be used as such. However they work very well underneath a basket muzzle or over a fabric one. So while it might help stop her nipping - please don't rely on it, it is not designed to do that. In fact dogs can carry toys with them on.

I'll 2nd the opinion to seek professional help too.
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Rooneysdad
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Tan , unfortunately , Lexi has a strange shaped head ??? :lmoa:

We have tried a size 5 & 6 Baskerville muzzles on her & neither fit properly albeit they are, technically speaking the right size for her.
They do in one way but not in another.
We have discussed the husher muzzle ( not the non-bark ) & i have some of those coming in the near future to try.

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Isn't the husher muzzle the same as the no bark one?

Have you seen the new Baskerville Ultra? They fit odd sizes much better.
Also I know a few places that you can get a variety of sizes and shapes in wire but might be able to get her a 'custom' fit one.
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The husher muzzle & non - bark are very similar Tan . The main difference is that the Husher has elasticated vents on the sides to allow a certain amount of movement in the muzzle & better ventilation.
The non bark has no side ventilation , just plain nylon with limited mouth movement.

I have heard of the Ultra but i dont have any & i know there are several other versions out on the market but i cant afford to buy different variations.
I did suggest to Rob that he took Lexi into a P@H & try a few on & if they didn't fit , then try other suppliers to see what fitted best before purchasing.

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Ah, I see... makes sense now.

The Ultra's are interesting - fit bully breeds and wide snouted dogs better - like big labs, akita's etc. very adjustable and the optional head strap means that it's less likely to come off, plus it connects to the collar. Company of animals are only based in chertsey - maybe they'd be willing to advise?
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Rooneysdad
6 Feb 2012, 12:01 AM
The husher muzzle & non - bark are very similar Tan . The main difference is that the Husher has elasticated vents on the sides to allow a certain amount of movement in the muzzle & better ventilation.
The non bark has no side ventilation , just plain nylon with limited mouth movement.

I have heard of the Ultra but i dont have any & i know there are several other versions out on the market but i cant afford to buy different variations.
I did suggest to Rob that he took Lexi into a P@H & try a few on & if they didn't fit , then try other suppliers to see what fitted best before purchasing.

what about the baskerville ultra muzzle ?? < i think thats what its called , i was watching a video and they said that the husher muzzle and anti bark muzzle both make it hard for the dog to pant , drink breath properly << is this correct ???
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6 Feb 2012, 12:09 AM
Ah, I see... makes sense now.

The Ultra's are interesting - fit bully breeds and wide snouted dogs better - like big labs, akita's etc. very adjustable and the optional head strap means that it's less likely to come off, plus it connects to the collar. Company of animals are only based in chertsey - maybe they'd be willing to advise?
sorry never saw your post . seems as though we both posted at the same time haha
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biggsd
5 Feb 2012, 10:00 PM
Tanith one of the members on the biggsd forum has designed these Martingale head collars, I fully recomend them,they can be bought direct from Tanith or from the biggsd stall when next out or from myself or Colin if we are on one of the biggsd walks.
http://www.martingaleheadcollar.co.uk/
Biggsd walks http://s10.zetaboards.com/biggsd/forum/8489/
I bought one of these for Lola from Colin on last Sunday's walk
It has been a huge success.
Lola pulls like a train and is so strong that it was really doing my back in. Added to this, if she sees one of her small dog enemies or a cat she lunges and it is really difficult to hold her.
Enter the martingale! Fantastic! I have used it all week - she still pulls ( on the way to the park) but its completely controllable and when she has seen SYD (small yappy dog) she now just looks, as being the bright dog she is she realises she can't lunge so there is no point in trying.
I have used it on its own (no extra half check collar or training lead) and there has been - for me - no time when Lola could or would get out of it. That maybe because basically Lola is happy to wear this and makes no attempt to remove it and is always going forward rather that backing away (which I see could allow it to go back over the head.)
I would recommend this for anyone who has a big strong dog like Lola, - it will save a lot of backache !
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Barnaby is a 7 month old, 50kg Newfie who walks well on a lead until he decides to investigate something, water or muddy puddles being favourites; where he went, we went. We have now been walking him on a Martingale for a week and are really pleased with the results. He still tries to pull at times but now it is very easy to prevent this; I haven't been inadvertently paddling with him at all this week! Barnaby still is not too happy about having the Martingale put on and I do find it a bit fiddly but then not all dogs have ears the size of bath towels. Once on, Barnaby is happy to plod along wearing it.
For anyone with a dog that pulls, I think a Martingale is well worth a try.
My thanks to John and Colin for their help in getting Barnaby fitted out with his very smart black and red Martingale and matching training leads, Barnaby is now a picture of sartorial elegance when he steps out for his constitutionals and, far more importantly, I feel now it is me in control of the direction our walks take.
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17 Feb 2012, 09:17 AM
I bought one of these for Lola from Colin on last Sunday's walk
It has been a huge success.

drb
 
We have now been walking him on a Martingale for a week and are really pleased with the results.



Great news Guys , so pleased they are working well for you :thumbs up:


drb
 
I haven't been inadvertently paddling with him at all this week!


I know exactly what you are saying Peter :thumbs up:

Been there , done that with Bear BUT not anymore ?? :yay:

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I once too my last shep to a friend who was a trainer. He said, "Oh I'll take her for a walk while you're filling out this form." I said, "Ok. But she'll pull if you aren't firm with her." Guy just laughed and said it'd be fine.

Five minutes pass and I hear a scream - go outside to see her swimming around in the duckpond - dragging a dog trainer behind her.... he he.

Dogs with that much fur, skin and ears are more difficult. You'll get the hang of it. Glad to hear that you're both having success. :thumbs up:
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18 Feb 2012, 07:41 PM
not all dogs have ears the size of bath towels.
I absolutely :glitter_love: that description!!!

:heart: Barnaby :heart:

Back to topic, I shall have to try one of these for Zuki - for a smallish girl she can't half drag me about!
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I am having a look at buying one of these.

I currently use a normal halti type on my retriever Edenn and a figure of 8 rope lead on Morgan as she hates those attached under her chin. Both these work really well for me and the dogs, but my husband seems unable to grasp the concept and I found my retriever attached to him when we were preparing to go out earlier with the nose band completely upside down and the lead attached about 10 cm above her forehead!

Anyhoo....can I ask how the metal ring under their chin is prevented from digging in or rubbing. I can't quite see how it is covered on the pictures. Also doesn't the fabric bunch up in this area?

Thanks

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Hi Karen
Ruth & Lola here!
It was great to meet you on Sunday - and all the gang - and I have just seen the pics of the walk - what a lovely bunch!
I have used one of these martingales - in London - on Lola now for a while and I think they are fantastic.
They are really easy (even for a man) to put on and Lola is perfectly happy with one (I dont leave it on her when she is off the lead) - they dont ride up or get into their eyes and seem perfectly comfortable under the chin - no rubbing.
Lola's problem was if she saw something that sets her off - cat lurking in the doorway / SYD (small yappy dog) she would do a lunge and she is so strong I was quite worried she might pull me over - she also pulls like a train especially on the way to the park. I hadnt realised how frightened I had been of taking her the 4 minutes to the park before - I used to drive there! Now she walks better and if she sees something she's actually given up attempting to lunge as she knows she cant. Its done wonders for my back too!
Anyway I personally would highly recommend it - best £10 Ive spent in a long time - and so much cheaper than a chiropractor.
Hopefully see you again soon
Ruth x
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Hiya

The ring underneath is smooth stainless steel, the welds are nice - no sharp edges or anything. Because it's round there's nothing to dig in. It isn't covered at all but only a very small piece touches the dogs neck - we've had no rubbing issues there reported to date. The ring basically just allows the webbing to move and doesn't really move itself, elimiating friction which is what generally causes rubbing.

As for bunching up - the slack is behind the dogs ears and so there is nothing to bunch up under the chin. In fact the fleece lined parts don't move much at all - Most of the action is at the back / sides of the neck where the fur, skin, shape etc. is better able to cope with it.

I hope that answers your questions, if you need anymore information please feel free to ask. Hubby will find it much easier to put on - you literally just slip it over the head.

Thank you for the great review Ruth!



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truffle
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2 of mine use these and we've had no problems with rubbing or chafing, but again they don't wear them when off lead. They aren't difficult to put on, but Spy has now learned that if he goes into reverse when you are ahead of him it comes off! At least I now know to make sure he's in front of me before we walk off.
I am now so confident that I can hold him when he's wearing it that we walked alongside the A4 when out geocaching last weekend and I was never worried that he was going to panic and get away from me when he was scared by the traffic.
Definitely worth a try.
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If that happens again Caroline just lift the lead up - does sound like it is a little too big for him though.
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If you use a training lead put one end on the normal collar and the other end on the head collar and use it like a pair of reins OR get a loose link piece and join them together,If you use a loose check chain as a backup if it does come off,If any one is on the biggsd walks either Colin (Rooneys dad) or i sell them and will show you how to use them,I also have some link pieces.
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Good post John

If you are worried about it coming off a 2 ended lead will solve that - I haven't seen that problem with one properly fitted though. I do link's - john has a few or they are £1 extra - or if you have an old halti - use the link from that. You attach it to the ring under the chin and then clip to your dogs collar once you put it on.
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:funny little things: hi tan
Just ordered Bellas martingale from ebay navy blue 29-30"
look forward to trying it on her.
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